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		<title>Comment on The brand egg &#8211; Can Bernard Matthews save its reputation? by Jacques Matute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques Matute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repetitive Toyota recalls will be causing considerable damage to their brand. 2.3 million cars in the United States to correct sticking accelerator pedals. 4.2 million vehicles in the United States to fix pedals getting lodged under floor mats. nearly 700,000 cars in China as a result of imperfect electrical window switches. Toyota boss on TV to apologise for recall  and still the mass media flag issues as the company gets more uptight.  I wonder how much brand value this has cost them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repetitive Toyota recalls will be causing considerable damage to their brand. 2.3 million cars in the United States to correct sticking accelerator pedals. 4.2 million vehicles in the United States to fix pedals getting lodged under floor mats. nearly 700,000 cars in China as a result of imperfect electrical window switches. Toyota boss on TV to apologise for recall  and still the mass media flag issues as the company gets more uptight.  I wonder how much brand value this has cost them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Branding London ahead of the 2012 Olympics. Cost: half a million sov by Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original 2012 logo was great, cheap, won us the bid! It appears people with too much money and not enough brain cells, forget this too easily. 

The new London 2012 logo launch was a disaster because of the company behind it and how greedy they were. After a lot of jokes involving the Simpsons and the fouth country (top left) in the logo (above). A lot of normal UK citizens put a lot of effort into putting REAL creativity into the logo variations you see today.

Please give credit, where it is due, which is not Saffron but people working for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original 2012 logo was great, cheap, won us the bid! It appears people with too much money and not enough brain cells, forget this too easily. </p>
<p>The new London 2012 logo launch was a disaster because of the company behind it and how greedy they were. After a lot of jokes involving the Simpsons and the fouth country (top left) in the logo (above). A lot of normal UK citizens put a lot of effort into putting REAL creativity into the logo variations you see today.</p>
<p>Please give credit, where it is due, which is not Saffron but people working for free.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The brand egg &#8211; Can Bernard Matthews save its reputation? by Toyota Recall: Reputation Lost? &#124; GemaTech Technology Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.brandforensics.co.uk/wordpress/archives/7/comment-page-1#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>Toyota Recall: Reputation Lost? &#124; GemaTech Technology Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When Bernard Matthews under went the same media frenzy when his turkey farms were subject to a bird flu scare, the company did the worst thing possible which was to remain quiet. With no statement or press interviews for 12 days, the public were left to think the worst and the company&#8217;s reputation was left permanently damaged. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When Bernard Matthews under went the same media frenzy when his turkey farms were subject to a bird flu scare, the company did the worst thing possible which was to remain quiet. With no statement or press interviews for 12 days, the public were left to think the worst and the company&#8217;s reputation was left permanently damaged. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another tiger emerges from  the woods? &#8211; Brand John Terry vs brand Woods. by Nate Pearce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely as a monopoly company who are allowed to continue as such for reasons of &#039;consumer protection&#039; Svenska Spel were on dodgy ground employing him in the first place. Sign the petition against these gambling monopolies at www.right2bet.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely as a monopoly company who are allowed to continue as such for reasons of &#8216;consumer protection&#8217; Svenska Spel were on dodgy ground employing him in the first place. Sign the petition against these gambling monopolies at <a href="http://www.right2bet.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.right2bet.net</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on 2010: the year Marvel’s ladies teach the men in Lycra a thing or two about heroic branding by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Marvel ( I too am a fan) needs to get the balance right in terms of boys/girls and plot/substance.
A good case for getting the balance slightly wrong was the anti-super hero flick &quot;Hancock&#039;  I think it would have been more interesting to stick with the male hero rather than have to bring a female character in just for the sake of it.
Ultimately plot and substance must be priority</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Marvel ( I too am a fan) needs to get the balance right in terms of boys/girls and plot/substance.<br />
A good case for getting the balance slightly wrong was the anti-super hero flick &#8220;Hancock&#8217;  I think it would have been more interesting to stick with the male hero rather than have to bring a female character in just for the sake of it.<br />
Ultimately plot and substance must be priority</p>
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		<title>Comment on Branding London ahead of the 2012 Olympics. Cost: half a million sov by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true. 
All valid points
Let&#039;s see what happens next</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true.<br />
All valid points<br />
Let&#8217;s see what happens next</p>
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		<title>Comment on Branding London ahead of the 2012 Olympics. Cost: half a million sov by Dan Dimmock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Dimmock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang on @JonathanGabay, The London 2012 identity wasn’t a failure. How could it be, we’re only just coming to the end of January 2010.

London 2012’s BIG mistake was it’s launch — releasing a dynamic and versatile identity through static methods and means — and not maximising on the platforms the identity was actually created for. The result: The Press driving the Public to disapprove and disown. If I’m honest: I don’t think the £400,000 spent was enough — failing to appreciate the value of a good launch!

Other than both being best-in-class, practising the art of institutional and corporate branding (as inspired, like most brand practitioners, by the same leader) and having a strong and valuable association to his surname, today, Wolff Olins and Wally Olins have little else in common. Wally relinquished his shareholdings, partially in a management buy-out in the 90s, later, as Chairman selling WO to Omnicom.

As for the perceived costs argument: Well, the brand identity creation process, when conducted thoroughly and properly — engaging with all necessary stakeholders to capture and define the essence, personality and values of an institution, helping to articulate the intentions and ambitions of its leaders, and creating an appropriate visual interpretation and language of a brand, suitable for on and off-line use — is certainly no mean feat. Time is money, and if it’s worth doing, it’s worth doing well, non? Also, it’s worth noting, some programmes can take up to 18-24 months, from start (strategic positioning) to finish (implementation and rollout).

Branding is both an art and a science — a key leadership tool that relies on strategic expertise and creative execution. I suspect the budget is for the entire programme, which would include collateral printing, marketing literature etc, costly web-development and possibly the manufacture of signage and hoarding.

As a branding professional, I despise The Press for never questioning the physical stuff, and for always focusing on the total cost. It’s the time spent, the expertise and deep strategic thinking that the Media have a hard-time getting their ‘head’s around’ — which is the valuable stuff — and always questioning a discipline that so few understand or appreciate.

So, taking the above in to consideration, is £500,000 still too much?

Let’s never forget, a logo does not a brand make!

http://www.whatsthebeef.net/post/363505804/lets-never-forget-a-logo-does-not-a-brand-make</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang on @JonathanGabay, The London 2012 identity wasn’t a failure. How could it be, we’re only just coming to the end of January 2010.</p>
<p>London 2012’s BIG mistake was it’s launch — releasing a dynamic and versatile identity through static methods and means — and not maximising on the platforms the identity was actually created for. The result: The Press driving the Public to disapprove and disown. If I’m honest: I don’t think the £400,000 spent was enough — failing to appreciate the value of a good launch!</p>
<p>Other than both being best-in-class, practising the art of institutional and corporate branding (as inspired, like most brand practitioners, by the same leader) and having a strong and valuable association to his surname, today, Wolff Olins and Wally Olins have little else in common. Wally relinquished his shareholdings, partially in a management buy-out in the 90s, later, as Chairman selling WO to Omnicom.</p>
<p>As for the perceived costs argument: Well, the brand identity creation process, when conducted thoroughly and properly — engaging with all necessary stakeholders to capture and define the essence, personality and values of an institution, helping to articulate the intentions and ambitions of its leaders, and creating an appropriate visual interpretation and language of a brand, suitable for on and off-line use — is certainly no mean feat. Time is money, and if it’s worth doing, it’s worth doing well, non? Also, it’s worth noting, some programmes can take up to 18-24 months, from start (strategic positioning) to finish (implementation and rollout).</p>
<p>Branding is both an art and a science — a key leadership tool that relies on strategic expertise and creative execution. I suspect the budget is for the entire programme, which would include collateral printing, marketing literature etc, costly web-development and possibly the manufacture of signage and hoarding.</p>
<p>As a branding professional, I despise The Press for never questioning the physical stuff, and for always focusing on the total cost. It’s the time spent, the expertise and deep strategic thinking that the Media have a hard-time getting their ‘head’s around’ — which is the valuable stuff — and always questioning a discipline that so few understand or appreciate.</p>
<p>So, taking the above in to consideration, is £500,000 still too much?</p>
<p>Let’s never forget, a logo does not a brand make!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whatsthebeef.net/post/363505804/lets-never-forget-a-logo-does-not-a-brand-make" rel="nofollow">http://www.whatsthebeef.net/post/363505804/lets-never-forget-a-logo-does-not-a-brand-make</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on 2010: the year Marvel’s ladies teach the men in Lycra a thing or two about heroic branding by Little Edie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Edie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rule number one. If you want teenage girls to buy your product, or at least not be totally alienated, try drawing the characters with breasts that are at least DD or smaller. I read Marvel, but sometimes it&#039;s the equivalent of seeing every male character penned with a full-on erection. No one&#039;s going to die if they actually have breasts somewhat realistic for their muscle mass (or Earth). Boys know other places to get porn now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rule number one. If you want teenage girls to buy your product, or at least not be totally alienated, try drawing the characters with breasts that are at least DD or smaller. I read Marvel, but sometimes it&#8217;s the equivalent of seeing every male character penned with a full-on erection. No one&#8217;s going to die if they actually have breasts somewhat realistic for their muscle mass (or Earth). Boys know other places to get porn now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Santander bank brand paints the UK banking high street red by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Santander bank brand paints the UK banking high street red by Ian West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neat and comprehensive analysis.
I think this is very interesting from a perceptual viewpoint and its impact upon other brands within the arena. Firstly it removes three smaller brands and replaces them with one big brand. This leaves more &#039;room&#039; for other smaller players to enter. Secondly the one big brand competes directly for a share of voice with the other big banking brands. Structurally perhaps not much will change for Santander but it demonstrates how the marketplace is a system and changes in brand communications by one player impact on all the participants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neat and comprehensive analysis.<br />
I think this is very interesting from a perceptual viewpoint and its impact upon other brands within the arena. Firstly it removes three smaller brands and replaces them with one big brand. This leaves more &#8216;room&#8217; for other smaller players to enter. Secondly the one big brand competes directly for a share of voice with the other big banking brands. Structurally perhaps not much will change for Santander but it demonstrates how the marketplace is a system and changes in brand communications by one player impact on all the participants.</p>
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